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 From Shawn

21st August 06

I have now posted images on the Wikipedia Fibulae and

Ancient Brooches article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibulae

If you click on the images to get the larger view you also get the

full description with identification notes on the fibulae.

Any comments/questions would be welcome.

Bron: Feel free to take the images. I have updated the text

though, and have a few other changes to do. Some change dates or

add new info. So I would wait till next week to take the text, or

take a new version next week, for your site.

In the meanwhile I have simple linked to the Wiki pages

Finally, to all: I have started a Fibulae and Ancient Brooches

Yahoo group. However, I will spend the next few weeks taking and

loading a bunch of images on to it, posting some other info, etc.

Then when it is more usefull I will pass the address around and see

if we can kick start it.

Will definitely link to that as well!

My goal would be to create an online photo gallery with ID notes.

Unlike most of the crappy descriptions on ebay we could compile

notes from various studies and reports (Jobst, Bohme, Soupault,

etc.) on find locations, dates and contexts. The controversial IDs

could be debated. Unknown items put up for identification. A

bibiliography of fibulae related books and articles complied, etc.

 Thanks, it's looking good.

Here is another quite  good website on brooches.

THE REAL ROMAN BOAT BROOCH TYPE!!

On these pages you will find information and pics of the numerous fake "Roman" galley brooches.

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www.collector-antiquities.com/137/

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www.collector-antiquities.com/191/

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www.collector-antiquities.com/262/

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www.collector-antiquities.com/267/

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www.collector-antiquities.com/334/

But these are genuine:

From Renate

This is a genuine type.

See the German site about the 'Neuburger Schiffsfibel'.

http://tinyurl.com/ytm8ad 

Scroll down that page ,and you'll find drawings of two other ship brooches to compare.

Elisabeth Ettlinger described the first one, which was found in Petinesca: She thinks it's meaning is religious, and that most of these fibulae were silvered and were made in the second half of the first century. None of there were found at the limes. It's design and making is so close to the Neuburg piece, that they were probably made together.

The second one was found in Zugmantel and has nothing in common with our
piece. It's a galley.

The top image here which was old on eBay seems authentic by style, size and appearance but the rarity of this type leaves me very sceptical. But sold at that price I still regret not having bid on it.

About the type - it's a Mediterranean transport ship, not a war ship/ galley the galley

This is the Neuburg page about the type:
http://www.ingolstadt.de/stadtmuseum/scheuerer/arch/schfib-2.htm

This one raises the obvious question.

With thanks to Marcus Prell.

(English translation coming)